Francois: I wanted to talk a bit more about that because you introduced it in your answer there. You know you talk about an imperial mode of living in the book, right? This way of living that depends on this kind of entrenched global inequality that has existed for a long time and is imagined to continue far into the future in a green capitalist future. Franco: Electric cars fit into this very well and certainly listeners of the show will be very familiar with my critique of electric cars.

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