DevOps and SRE

You might find if you talk to your coworkers and say, you know what, I want to get more involved with our build and deployment process. And then suddenly that thing becomes a requirement that must be going all the time. But it's because people finally see the value. You can talk about it all day. They're not going to get it. You show it to them a little bit and then they're like, Oh, I need more. This is all coming at it from the point of view of the DevOps though and less about the SRE.