Science has taken a goal type perspective. It's reflected in the fact that we have these laws. The laws of physics are there as eternal truths. And so you have some sort of external viewpoint, external input. In astrophysics and cosmology, it is often fine because we rarely ask questions about truly the totality of reality. But when you ask this deeper question, which Stephen loved to ask, why is the universe the way it is? Why does it appear designed? What is the relation? At that point, you cannot stay outside. Because, of course, the question itself involves us. That really took us a long time to sort of break down this question... How do we change

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