What Is the Grey Zone?

Anna, I want to see the Venn diagram of where does magic fit in with this? And you saying that clarifies it for me, Jeremy. This is starting to make more sense than now because all while the two of you were speaking, probably for the last few minutes, I was thinking this sits in the realm of spiritualism, belief and totems. Can I just talk to the Grey Zone thing? No one interrupt me for five minutes, right? Five. Yeah. So like, yeah, so that whole chaos magic thing about stripping out religiosity and it's supposed to be a focus on practicality. What works and it doesn't matter what's causing it sort of