And you know, when something new comes into a cultre, there is always going to be that process of various detours and dead ends and the co option by commercial forces. Like the amazon zen boothis a thing in america now, where amazon warehouses have a little three minute meditation booth you can go in to calm down, to increase your productivity, something that is nauseating tome. And there's also a whole world of narcississ presenting themselves as gooroos and knowledgeable spiritual such and such is and colts and everything like that. So they can definitely be hard to navigate, especially if you don't have anybody to help you, or if it's new in a cultural environment. And i think we're ing through introducing this stuff to the west, and then all the pathologies of the west taking it in a million directions. But i think it's, it's, it's a necessary part of of that coming into our culture. And and ultimately, hopefully having a deep and stable spot within it. But it's a process. And also appreciate what you said about attention. And you talked about musicians, sometimes just the hyper, youknow, awareness of the sound and losing yourself in the moment by moment construction of melody and in music. And that can be an impetus to some sort of spirt awakening. I think it's very interesting. And it goes beyond the buddhist tradition. So i in sophism, for example, there's the whirling dervishes. And again, it's the spinning of the body. And hen the what you do with attention. And in that process, or in the christian tradition, um, in deep prayer, you become very concentrated on more or less amontre in some cases, if you're repeating a prayer over and over again. And some people could have, you know, mystical or spiritual awakening moments just doing that, even if they weren't trying to cultivate it, or weren't even aware that it wasit was ability. So once som somebody that comes to mine is like an ehart tolly, i don't know what your thoughts are on him. But he's somebody i came across early in my spiritual investigations. And my understanding of his story is precisely this, that he wasn't engaging in any spiritual practices, was at such an abysmal pit of deep, profound, suicidal suffering that something broke within him. At least that's how he tells it. And so in that case, at leasti if you take him at his word, there is little to know conscious path taking, and it was just more or less by accident that he had a a ruptural awakening event. Now, you certainly shouldn't just sit back and say, hopefully it comes for me. Igeot, i think there is. People are interested in this. You have to put some effort, especially initially, into doing it. But those things do happen. And it's just worth mentioning that those that those possibilities are out there. I guess

suffering is one of the, from the most common things that put you er on the path and make you discoverer. Yo shalty, because when something that unpleasant is overpowering every moment of your life, and it really there's no more mechanism that your mind confines to escape it, you very quickly realize an aspect about reality that you have no control at. Like, you didn't wish upon yourself the suffering, and yet it's happening. You don't even have the control to get out of it, maybe not for a few moments, and it just continues. Then em, yes, in a certain bizar way, it can make this work a lot easier. And em, it can definitely facilitate researching the stuff and finding alternative ways of escapi suffering. Because that's really the ultimate goal, to realize. It doesn't make sense for anything to avoid anything else. So thatre when you realize deeply that there are only sensations arising. Then with that comes the realization that there is no body who could be hurt by certain negative sensations, certain kinds of pains. But yet, that's something people rarely discover, when everything is going great, and you have a certain sense of autonomy, and you can kind of do things to keep you kind of relatively comfortable within your comfort zone. And ah, that's how most people live their lives. So suffering never gets so out of hand. Ta the only escape is through because you cannot escape any more than all coping strategies fail.