What Happens to Ukranian Military After the War?

The big question is this idea of what happens to ukrane's military after the war. Owen, for this week's magazine, you write about erdan's apparent opposition to sweden and finland joining nato. Is he serious about this, or is he bluffing? And were now joined by the spectator's russia correspondent,. o matthews, to talk about nato expansion and what power edon as in the admissions process.