Nilons for dupin i know that's a more general industry charm, but that was one of the first categories that had patents. Really, what we see is, just like phormocutacles, competitors move in, they copy the product as close to what the customer needs. And many of em tend to do the same thing, which is why something like nylon for clothing to day is more commoditized chemical. Bu either way, it kind of works exact same way, where competitors move into, prices fall, and today's specialty chemical is to morrow's commodity chemical.

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