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https://www.theintelligenceagepodcast.com/839

Mark Smth speaks with Ashish Bhatia about how his move from Microsoft to Audible changed the way he thinks about customers, AI, and product design. The conversation centers on personal AI, running OpenClaw locally, and why owning your memory, workflows, and data matters more as AI systems become more capable.

They also explore Audible’s role in learning, the future of interactive audio, and how agents are beginning to replace clunky app-based workflows with more direct, personalized experiences.

Key topics

• Ashish explains the shift from B2B at Microsoft to B2C at Audible, and how that changes the way you learn from customers
• He shares why personal AI matters to him more than ever, especially when it involves health data, finances, and memory
• Mark describes building a large OpenClaw setup with 26 agents, including a nine-agent DevOps team and automated bug fixing
• They discuss why running AI locally teaches real systems thinking through failure, debugging, and repeated iteration
• Ashish talks about using OpenClaw to manage daily life, including lunch ordering through Grubhub as a mission-critical workflow
• The conversation highlights the importance of owning your memory and being able to move your AI system across machines and platforms
• They explore the idea of the death of UI, where agents increasingly bypass app interfaces and handle tasks directly
• Mark raises concerns about AI companies ingesting books and content, leading to a discussion of copyright, hypocrisy, and cultural attitudes toward books
• Ashish shares how Audible supports different learning styles, especially for commuters, slow readers, and people who learn better through audio plus text
• He outlines Audible’s direction toward interactive, multilingual audiobooks with AI-powered recall, discovery, and personalization

Resource Recommendations:

1. The Infinity Machine - Demis Hassabis - Amazon.com: The Infinity Machine: Demis Hassabis, DeepMind, and the Quest for Superintelligence: 9780593831847: Mallaby, Sebastian: Books
2. The Thinking Machine - Jensen Huang - The Thinking Machine: Jensen Huang, Nvidia, and the World's Most Coveted Microchip: Witt, Stephen: 9780593832691: Amazon.com: Books
3. Sapiens - Yual Noal Harari - Sapiens: A Brief History of Humankind eBook : Harari, Yuval Noah: Amazon.ca: Kindle Store
4. The Apple Podcast that I have curated - https://podcast.ashish-bhatia.com/feed.xml
5. Ashish Bhatia's website - ashish-bhatia.com

If you want to get in touch with me, you can message me here on Linkedin.

Thanks for listening 🚀 - Mark Smith