Alexis: I had that sense more of like joining tech in San Francisco at that time. When we moved to San Francisco, it was like, Oh, oh, I'm in the middle of like ground zero of something. It actually wasn't the first batch. The first batch was just like some weird summer program. But when the batches kept getting bigger and they had a building with a bunch of everyone's,. That became very clear about like 2000 by early 2007.

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