Mac Product Marketing Interview With Tom Boger

i went back and i lookedand you even opened your your interview, you od scored a great interview with a tom boger from mac product marketing. Zander, whats sander's last name? I have i right here in fron sorn. And he's been with those teams for very lontine and shelley goldberg, who is senior director of the mac, and i pad product design. As soon as i read that, i'm like, all men, great way to tie this together. Cause this is so true. This is what i want to talk to matthew about i i mike waigt, when was that? Was that three years ago?