Asha Durgahee: One of the things I promised to circle back around to that I hadn't yet was to look for some seeds of optimism. And so we've talked about some reasons for despair and the podcast so far, but we should look for evidence in the other direction. She says people hold a lot of misperceptions; it's going to be a long road before they're all cleared up. Asha: We have to keep looking for ways to do it, because otherwise, we're never going to close this huge divide that we have.