Conel: What changes about our society once we have adopted your view? You knowther saying that reality the thing that's still there even when you stop believing in it, which i've always liked. But on the other side, there are also ideas or stories that, once you believe in them, they can become true somewany prophecies. So basically, the second hall of my book is an argument for saying, well, let's turn this around. If we start with a different view of human nature, that's not some innocent self help idea, you know about o the power of kindness. No, it's a genuinely revolutionary idea. And you can do things radically different.