Speaker 2
And that brings up a really good point, though, John. Like, you know, the issue comes back down and especially with venture back companies is like you have VCs who want dollars and then you have leaders in their executive meetings that are just focused on let's hit the numbers. And it's not kind of getting down to that, you know, to the to the pool. Like, how do we change that part? Like, you know,
Speaker 1
I mean, I don't know. I mean, I've been I've been struggling with this a lot because, you know, I've been screaming at VCs to stop it. Like just stop it. Let us breathe for a minute. But something that concerned me a long time ago, and this was during kind of, I don't like politics in general, but Hillary, I watched an interview with her back in the day and she had said that she had interviewed or there was an interview with like 50 of the top CEOs of the top companies in the world. And they were asked, Hey, if you could make a decision today that that you knew was good for the company, right? And it would benefit everybody in the next five years, like the business, the invite everything, right? But it was going to that decision was going to knock. And this was the quote, one penny off of your stock price today. Would you do it? 50 out of 50 said no. Because they what they said was, if I made that decision, I wouldn't see five years. I wouldn't make it five years. I'd get fired. So like we're in this short term gratification. I don't know if there's a way out of it, especially in the SaaS tech world, right? I think, you know, the rest of the world, I think is relatively normal in a lot of ways. But in the SaaS and the tech world and the VCs, it's just they got to see their 10x returns. They got to see their 20x returns. And it doesn't matter how they get them. And you know, the fact that most companies are massively unprofitable, even though they're worth $50 billion or something like that makes no sense to me. I'm like, I'm not an economist or anything. But I like, I know basic math and I've been in business long enough. And I just don't fundamentally understand how you can be a $50 billion company and still not be profitable. Like just doesn't make any sense
