"I think, especially prior to 2020, there were a lot of forces at play in the world that a lot of people were led to believe we had some control over," he says. "When that what I call capital C change hits, like the big change that does just throw you sideways, what is your inner source of control?" He adds: "There's again this interesting toggle between when we talk about control, what is that external and what is that internal"

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