I find it hard to believe that that could have happened in a shorter conversation definitely not that that felt like something you had to get to Jen I love that you've been using the word softening I wonder if softening was happening all around here uh because that is not an easy thing to admit like you said to your children. He doesn't want to put himself in that situation and my mom doesn't wants to put herself in that situation right no one would want to put themselves in that situation where they feel inadequate when they feel inadequate, he says.

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