I'm of the view that it wouldn't surprise me if there's a surprise, if you sort of know what I mean. No, my money's never been entirely on Gravenberg. Their manager's situation has changed, and what he is and what he wants is a little bit different quite conceivably. That's changed things as well. On your list boiled down to these: Gabri Reagan himself has felt like he's come a bit from left field in that we weren't talking about him a month ago. The financial crisis that's bubbling around Italy and everyone else - but I'll there they get to link this week from Ray Amadrid, Ray, I might need