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The Mountaineering Met Analogies
John Kern: I have at this point over 50 years in the business. And ideas do get recycled and you know so you see things that were written the last few years for example. They are a lot of the concepts they think might be new but they really are have grown out of stuff that came up years ago, he says. John Kern was our first interview; He shared with us an artifact that he had stored in his attic. It's got a direct lineage to everything you just mentioned about your not not climbing metaphor or something like that.