I am home from my book tour (50 days!) and it feels soooo good. 😮‍💨 Towards the end of the tour, in Detroit, Michigan, I got the chance to sit down with adrienne maree brown. We’d been following each other’s work for years, and it was such a treat to gab and snack and joke in person.

adrienne is a best-selling author, activist, facilitator, a songwriter, a poet, and doula. She also has a new book out, called Loving Corrections, which I have been delighting in. This is absolutely a moment to be lovingly correcting lots of things...

The conversation and moderated by Orlando P. Bailey of Outlier Media, for a packed house. Sorry, Orlando, that we were utterly ungovernable! But this was just the kind of joyful, irreverent, soulful conversation I very much needed, and I hope that it will be what you need, in this moment.

Fortitude and fragility. Our biracial families. Which of us has Beyoncé vibes and which Rhianna? What project we are scheming up together… We covered all the critical topics. Throw your head back and laugh with us.

Credits: This conversation was hosted by Urban Consulate, supported by the Kresge Foundation. This episode was produced and edited by Nora Saks and me, with recording help in Detroit from Afrochine. It is also being released on the podcast adrienne co-hosts with her sister, autumn brown, called How to Survive the End of the World.