By matter, i mean whatever is experienced in consciousness. But remember, in this i am including mind also. If it's experienced, then it's an object. And that object i'm calling matter, just for the sake of simplicity. The other e theory is opposite. Consciousness produces matter. Aha adwate no, not a dvita veranta. It's a vast unconscious, material universe and consciousness lizs like a flickering flame at in the corner of a dark, mostly dark room.