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Episode 289 - Retiring Retirement Income Myths with the Retirement Income Dream Team

The Rational Reminder Podcast

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Exploring Retirement Income Planning and the Flaws in Dave Ramsey's 8% Spending Claim

This chapter delves into the topic of retirement income planning and critiques Dave Ramsey's claim about an 8% spending rate. The speakers discuss the flaws in this claim and highlight the importance of understanding concepts like sequence of returns and market volatility. They provide valuable insights on withdrawal rates, asset growth assumptions, and the role of bonds and stocks in retirement portfolios.

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Does the 4% rule still work? In this episode, we welcome three esteemed experts to counter a recent controversial claim made on the Dave Ramsey Show regarding the validity of the 4% rule in retirement planning. Joining us is David Blanchett; the Managing Director and Head of Retirement Research for PGIM DC Solutions, Michael Finke; a distinguished professor of wealth management at the American College of Financial Services, and Wade Pfau; Director of Retirement Research at McLean Asset Management. In our conversation, these experts shed light on the intricate world of retirement income planning, dispelling misconceptions and advocating for a more nuanced approach. Discover the flaws in Ramsey's assertion and explore the dynamics of sequence of return risk in retirement planning. Unpack the complexities of investing in bonds for retirees and the evolving risk profiles of stocks over varying investment horizons. We also uncover the significance of variable spending rates, debunk the fallacies behind aggressive withdrawal suggestions, a safety-first approach in retirement finance, and much more. Tune in for an enlightening journey through retirement planning and equip yourself with expert insights to pave a secure path for your financial future!

Key Points From This Episode:

The motivation for addressing Dave Ramsey’s 8% retirement spending rate claim. (0:07:26)
Unpack the holes in Dave Ramsey’s 8% claim. (0:09:48)
How important sequence of return risk is for retirement planning. (0:15:08)
Discover if investing in bonds is risky for a retiree. (0:17:57)
Learn how the risk of holding stocks changes for longer versus shorter investment horizons. (0:21:55)
Subjective risk tolerance and how it is influenced by market fluctuations. (0:24:04)
Going all-in on stocks compared to strategies that involve both bonds and stocks in your investment portfolio. (0:30:10)
They share their thoughts on Dave Ramsey’s notion that the 4% rule is depressing. (0:35:23)
Overview of the issues and misconceptions surrounding the 4% rule. (0:37:28)
Alternative approaches to spending money from a riskier investment portfolio. (0:40:06)
Dynamic spending strategies to improve the initial withdrawal rate from investments. (0:43:01)
Explore other financial products, like annuities, for retirement planning. (0:50:05)
Mindset hurdles and adjusting expectations for financial planning. (0:58:46)
Dissect the concept of delaying government pensions and its impact on investors. (1:02:24)
Insights into the pros and cons of delaying social security for higher-earning women. (1:07:52)
Final words of wisdom the guests have for listeners. (1:09:30)