I started catching snakes when I was very young and caught a garter snake or a black rat snake in New York. At 16 years old I had to go and like shoulder this guy out of the way and I used a stick to very gently just put it off the trail copperhead was not going to do anything to him but he wanted to you know beat his chest and show his wife that he was tough. Snakes are always getting into people's kitchens one time we had a king cobra get into someone's kitchen an 11 foot snake stood up  and would look at you over the table. If there's a snake in the room right now I could lift it up and say

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