The Rise of the New Right

This episode delves into the dynamic emergence of the 'New Right' within American politics, a movement distinguished by its blend of tech-savvy entrepreneurship and libertarian ideals. The discussion contrasts the New Right's forward-thinking approach, characterized by interests in AI, genetics, and defending Western culture, with the traditional GOP and the Democratic left. Topics include its positions on pronatalism, free speech, and cultural diversity. The conversation also covers strategic shifts, such as choosing JD Vance over traditional figures like Mike Pence, highlighting the movement's focus on innovation and pluralism while addressing its relationship with past political movements and its potential to reshape the political landscape. Personal anecdotes and exchanges between speakers provide a light-hearted element amidst these intense, future-oriented discussions.

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Speaker 2: Hello Simone!

Speaker: Hello Malcolm!

Speaker 2: Among the American right, there have long been fears of overly technophilic individuals

Speaker 4: there is a whole breakaway civilization. What's happening? I'm gonna give you the big secret, man, if you want it. Yes, I do. This big breakaway civilization of scientists. Is that true? Yes. What are you, from Mars? Let's just say, it's super advanced. For real? I don't ever talk about this. For real? Breakaway civilization?

Are you ready? They're the high priests. They're scientists. Right. They're engineers. Tell me what you're trying to say. They're racing. We're using human technology to try to take our best minds and build some type of breakaway civilization where they're gonna break away from the failed species that is man.

Where are you getting this from? You read their own writings. They believe we're this fallen, species.

Speaker 2: Hello. I have to say that's us right here, the ones that you're afraid of. Sometimes I worry he's read our stuff.

Speaker 6: From the moment I understood the weakness of my flesh, it disgusted me. [00:01:00] I

Speaker 2: This has been really interesting as our movement has grown as a right leaning movement and as it has integrated with the larger new right, which is made up of all of these new, I guess you could say like, Tech entrepreneur types is sort of the core of the new, right?

Whether it's the Elon's or the Peter Thiel's or the Mark Andreessen's or people like us this movement has been emerging. And I think with the JD Vance interview, and he's obviously not 100 percent in the new, right, but he is definitely on the new right spectrum definitely closer to the new right than legacy GOP.

And We have done some stuff where we talk about like a new right manifesto where we describe the larger political philosophy of the new right But on this episode what I really wanted to focus on is specifically How the new right is different from the legacy gop like where we have our conflicts How those conflicts might be able to like how we might be able to find truces around those conflicts so that we can [00:02:00] better work together and Where the conflicts might be more intractable, so the 1st big 1, when I was thinking about, like, reaching out to. Mainstream because we recently had this big piece on us in the wall street journal. We are definitely entering a stage now where we, among the new right speakers are probably we're definitely not like the leader, like the leader of the new right is, I'd say uncontrovertibly Elon Musk or J.

D. Vance. But both of them like JD Vance right now is mostly a surrogate of the Trump campaign and Elon Musk doesn't have time to go out and give like Long speeches on whether it's like theology or the future of humanity or sociology or anthropology, which are the types of things we do on this.

And, and you have, you know, you can have a Marc Andreessen or Peter, but, but, but most of the big new right people, except for maybe what's that one podcast where they're all new right people and it's really big. Someone that Chamas is on.

Speaker: Oh, the [00:03:00] online podcast. Actually, no, they're not all new right.

Okay. Some of them are open Democrats who,

Speaker 2: Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So that sort of makes us, I guess, one of the central, solidly new, right, mouthpieces. So it's good for us, talking heads, , to, , explain how this group came to a lot of the positions it's hold.

And where it's coming from as well as better characterize the types of people that are in it so, the 1st thing where I just think the old right is being stubborn is I've been trying to bridge the divide recently between the old right. Legacy GOP.

You keep telling me I can't say that they're old. And us and in terms of reaching out about doing podcasts with them, even when they said like terrible things about us in the past. I'm like, look, like with venture. I'm like, look, let's bury the hatchet. Let's do something. You know, I, I think that there's a way that we can, we can work together.

We were reaching out to the Federalists that did this piece on us. That was like, They play a sick game with their children. We're the strongest get to [00:04:00] survive. And it's interesting because while in a way, and I think that this shows why the new right and the old right can work sort of side by side and hold these two ideologies here, is that very sentiment Is in a way a very left leaning sentiment this idea of like pure equality, like when they're looking at us and our children, they see us as like Spartan, like exposing our infants, basically.

But the, the, the Spartan lifestyle was not one that people would say is a particularly left leaning lifestyle. It is, you know, a fear of change that might be spurning this or a dedication to older deontological structures. But you actually see this in other places. When I think about the things I have to apologize for when I'm reaching out to these legacy right influencers, one of the biggest is our belief a bit like Humans have genes and this matters and is something we should be paying attention to.

And this is one of the things you see across [00:05:00] the new right. And I wanted to get your thoughts on this because you've definitely had these conversations where it is actually weird to, from a right wing perspective, having to be explaining to another right winger. But I mean, you aren't actually a blank slatus, right?

Like, you know, that humans are born with varying levels of proficiency. At a genetic level, right? And like, this matters in terms of differential birth rate within our country. Like, what are your thoughts?

Speaker: I think there are two elements to this, which is the Christian element where there's this very vehement, we're all equal under God view.

It's not about genes and also science is kind of not the most Christian thing to do in some Christian circles. Right. And I think the other thing is just blank slatism was so heavily hammered into people in both public and private schools, at least in our childhoods and so heavily hammered in through media.

That even if you aren't necessarily from a culture or group that would intentionally support that viewpoint, if fully [00:06:00] informed, has just come to naturally because it is a more pervasive ideology taught in society. Does that check out with you?

Speaker 2: Does? I actually think it's more than that. I think that the, when, when reaching out to legacy right influencers, They know that the attacks that we're getting around, like, humans have genes and it matters attacks.

I think a lot of them actually believe this. They've just discovered that this is one of the issues that they're going to capitulate to the left on. Why?

Speaker: Why would they capitulate to the left on anything that isn't true?

Speaker 2: Because they think that the, the right wing movement will intrinsically be labeled as racist if they take this position and therefore they cannot platform people who are taking this position or they cannot.

I think that that's it. They're afraid like they know it's true,…

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