In this conversation, Joy Reid and The Trace journalist Michael Spies delve into the alarming rise of right-wing extremism in America, focusing on the case of Ian Rogers, who plotted to attack democratic institutions. They explore the connections between MAGA ideology, the NRA's role in promoting replacement theory, and the historical context of violence in American politics. The discussion highlights the dangerous landscape of the gun market, the rise of armed communities, and the intertwining of military recruitment with right-wing ideology, ultimately questioning the sustainability of this trajectory in American society.
Read Mike's story, "White, Legally Armed, and Primed for Political Violence," which was produced in partnership with Rolling Stone, here:
https://www.thetrace.org/2025/07/gun-sales-nra-white-extremist-violence/
Chapters
00:00 The Plot Unveiled: Ian Rogers' Conspiracy
02:33 The Roots of Violence: MAGA and Right-Wing Extremism
05:20 Historical Context: Waco to Oklahoma City
08:13 The NRA's Role in Replacement Theory
11:22 The Gun Market: A Dangerous Landscape
14:08 The Rise of Armed Communities
17:20 Military Recruitment and Right-Wing Ideology
20:04 Fascism, Religion, and the Gun Culture
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