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Calvin rosser and stef smith talk about what it takes to be world class at something. They both had brief stints as world-class golfers and chess players. calvin: "I was just thinking, many of the things in my life i'm not really treating like a sport" steff: "It just came to light that if i really do want to become a great ceo one day, why am i not treating that like its a sport?"

With 7 billion people on Earth, it's incredibly hard to be at the absolute top of any field. In this episode, Steph and Calvin discuss what they learned from their brief stints of being "world-class" in chess and golf, respectively. They also dive into the 10,000-hour rule, mastering skills in adulthood, and managing your psychology along the way.