If you're trying to experience consciousness without the Maya, there is no way of experiencing it. At the most, you will try to do what Yogis try to do, Nirvikaal Pasamadi. You get it every night in deep sleep. The Yogi gets it in knowledge, in awareness. When you come out of it, you become enlightened. In reality, the waker is none other than Turya. So are none other than sleeper and dreamer. And so many from your question that we go through these three experiences? We have only these three in our experience, so it is not something separate from them. Then next question. Is Turya the