i want to talk about the distinction between depression and longing. And you write about columbia university psychiatry professor philip muskin and bitter sweet, who stated, creative people are not creative when depressed. You suggest that it may be more useful to view creativity through the lens of bitter sweetness - grappling simultaneously with darkness and light. We can't bring our full selves to that one place. But ye, i think absolutely there 's a choice we can make when we find ourselves at those moments of pain, or processing past ones. There's a thousand different ways of expressing and transforming pain into something else.