I've learned a lot from Dr. Jenkins and Frank Hu over the years on how to conduct specific types of analyses, so that I can help people better understand plant-based diets. So yeah, I did some work with the portfolio diet and trials and then looking at epidemiology. And I think some of the biggest things we need to consider is consistency across these studies. With the trials, they're usually on intermediate risk factors. They're usually shorter term. We unfortunately don't have a lot of longer term studies in nutrition. That's when we usually turn to those respective cohort studies as opposed to clinical trials.

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