I think it takes a certain kind of character to be in a situation and to have instinct to know that there's an opportunity there and to actually go for it. I was always the new kid in school I went to thirteen schools I was often alone not always but often alone and so I just was always able to put myself into any situation and be anywhere and kind of just talk. It happens even now at this level of success and knowing people like billionaires self-made, he says.