What Is the Outcome That You'd Like to See in Ukraine?

My ideal outcome is whatever the ucranians want for themselves, which seems to be a liberal, democratic ukrane that wants to join the greater eu. Western sphere. If you talk to them, theyre like, we've had seven years of democracy. We're not giving it up now, right? And if you look at things like the masgraves discovered a buco when the russians pulled back, they say, if we fail, that's the future that awaits us, right? So they want the opposite of that.