The LLMs and the Meta Crisis

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"We have the first order kind of problem that are unidentified is like the meta crisis or whatever, lots of names to it," he says. "When you're completely broken down and you're apparing either full, articulate left hemisphere, when you've lost that ability to ground, I mean, that's what we haven't really talked on yet." We start to get fascinated with things that look lively that are made out of dead things,. And so a lot of that's like the AI art, it's like it's compelling. But then if we take in messaging back to that plastic thing, there's this delusion, almost this Frankensteinness.

In this conversation I speak with Jill Nephew. Jill, a former AI black box algorithm engineer with extensive experience in developing software architectures, holds a highly heterodox perspective on the risks associated with LLM AIs. In this conversation we explore Jill's argument that using LLMs like ChatGPT or Bard are like eating plastic for your cognitive agency and natural intelligence, how it is that AIs could cause the rise of new 'supercults', and how another world is possible, if only we learn to ask the right questions.

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[3:52] The critical difference between cognition and thinking
[9:49] Why is using LLMs like eating plastic for our cognition?
[16:04] What LLMs represent in the context of the meta-crisis
[24:51] How LLMs signal trustworthiness and use randomness to confuse us and unground our cognition
[36:00] What we can expect to see as LLMs introduce more plastic into our cognition
[38:29] What ways of interacting with LLMs might be safe?
[47:52] What are cults and how do they function in relationship to our cognition?
[53:29] The possibility of an AI 'supercult'
[55:27] The most dangerous thing we do to each other
[59:48] The deep meaningfulness and richness of grounded cognition, going beyond trauma healing, beyond the monkey mind
[1:07:17] Technology to reclaim natural intelligence, the practice of inquiry, the difference between 'good' inquiry and 'bad' inquiry
[1:12:31] The rigorous engineering behind good inquiry forms
[1:13:29] The power of inquiry, the feeling of insight, how to achieve a quiet mind
[1:18:29] Jill's advice for how to respond to the acceleration of planetary destruction