Tectarica Mina Rakuten

A lot of our service providers are looking somewhat in envy at the hyperscale players, you know, the Googles and the Amazon's. And they're trying to replicate it because they believe that's that's the model with which they can use to try to form their own high role developers. A good example is Deutsche Telekom who have done this thing called NIMS where they've taken all of the basic telephony switching intelligence and virtualize that in the cloud.