How Do We Get Out of That Circle?

Once the patient knows he's humble, just like you described, then pride immediately begins to set in. I think it really comes back to what we said before, self forgetfulness. There are examples in all u's works, defii, some in the great divorce and in scretape, where he speaks that you can be humble and still recognize that you have received gifts. If god has given you the gift to be able to speak to people, tob prouce, beautiful art, et cetera, then you can use it for the glory of god. But that requires you to look out from yourself. It's again, when you can't become consumed on yourself,