I used to review that as collateral damage and then when you watched the program and she said, the shit that parents went through and his family and you think, I used to put hundreds of weapons on the streets. You don't know your victims are going to be. If they just buy them for whatever reason... imagine how many people have got harmed and hurt as a result of me doing them. Hopefully it just clicks and from that day, I just, I changed from that day. Not a state away, but we changed with gradual and it built upon that and it was reinforced by charities engaging with me. Even though we never worked with them when I got out, they had the meat

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