Pre-exhaust training critique

Episode Summary

This is a preview of our subscriber-only Ask Us Anything episode, where Dr. Jordan Feigenbaum and Dr. Austin Baraki tackle the most persistent problems in training and nutrition. Hear the science behind managing pain in the gym—determining the threshold for acceptable discomfort versus a true programming error. They also analyze why short-term study findings often fail in the real world, cover the science of pre-exhaust training, and give practical advice on the psychology of managing dietary cravings when transitioning to a healthier diet.

Takeaways

• Pain Threshold: Learn the 3/10 rule for pain in training: low-level, self-limiting discomfort is common, but anything more should be addressed.
• Programming Fix: Recurrent pain (e.g., every 5-6 weeks) is often a programming issue caused by a lack of training tolerance, not a technique fault. The solution is modifying the total load, not just changing your form.
• Training Philosophy: Stop "pushing" harder every session. The best way to progress is to wait for fitness to show up (the lift feels easier) before increasing the load.
• Pre-Exhaust Science: Find out why techniques like leg extensions before squats are suboptimal for both strength and hypertrophy because they compromise the necessary total training load.
• Cravings Are Transient: The intense difficulty experienced when switching from ultra-processed, hyper-palatable foods to home-cooked meals is normal (hedonic adaptation) and transient. Understanding that this discomfort will fade is key to long-term adherence.

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• 00:00 Introduction & Plus Subscriber Offer
• 00:40 How Often Should I Feel Pain in Training? (Pain Threshold & Training Tolerance)
• 09:31 The Science of Pre-Exhaust Training (Why it compromises total load)
• 16:54 Managing Dietary Cravings When Switching Habits (Hedonic Adaptation)
• 27:49 Conclusion: Barbell Medicine Plus Offer

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Resources

Pain

It is normal and acceptable for lifters to experience low-level, self-limiting discomfort during training. The threshold for acceptable pain is generally considered to be less than 3/10 on the pain scale, provided the discomfort is not sharp, does not cause fear, and is gone within 24 to 48 hours.

The real warning sign is recurrent pain—when the same tweak flares up every 5 to 6 weeks. This is typically not a technique fault but a programming issue—the lifter is demanding more from their body than their current training tolerance allows. The solution is usually to reduce the overall training load, modify the volume/intensity, and rebuild capacity gradually.

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Pre-Exhaustion

The technique of pre-exhastion training (e.g., leg extensions before squats) is generally suboptimal for both strength and hypertrophy.

Compromised Load: Pre-fatiguing the muscle compromises the ability to perform the subsequent compound lift with high intensity and high volume, thereby reducing the total training load. This directly hurts both muscle growth (less mechanical tension) and strength (less high-fidelity force production).

Limited Use Case: This technique is primarily useful in rehab (as a load-limiting or desensitization tool) or for highly specific muscular endurance challenges (e.g., preparing for certain high-rep CrossFit workouts).

• https://www.barbellmedicine.com/blog/how-to-exercise-when-you-have-no-time/ (training load preservation)
• Schoenfeld, B. J., et al. (2018). Differential effects of attentional focus strategies during long-term resistance training. European Journal of Sport Science. DOI:10.1080/17461391.2018.1500632 (Discusses mind-muscle connection effectiveness).
• Schoenfeld, B. J. (2010). The mechanisms of muscle hypertrophy and their application to resistance training. Journal of Strength and Conditioning Research. DOI: 10.1519/JSC.0b013e3181e840f3(Reviews mechanical tension as the primary driver).
• Fisher, J. P., et al. (2013). The effects of pre-exhaustion, exercise order, and rest intervals in resistance training. Journal of Applied Sports Science Reports. DOI: 10.1016/j.jassr.2013.06.002 (Discusses pre-exhaustion's impact on load).
• Gentil, P., et al. (2007). Effect of exercise order on upper-body strength and muscle thickness in untrained men. Journal of Strength and Conditioning Research. DOI: 10.1519/R-20415.1 (Found pre-exhaustion did not enhance hypertrophy over traditional training).

Cravings

Switching from ultra-processed, hyper-palatable foods (e.g., pizza, fast food) to a whole-food, home-cooked diet involves temporary challenges due to hedonic adaptation (the brain is adapting away from high food reward).

The difficulty of managing cravings is complex. Switching is often easier when the body is in an energy surplus (biologically supported).

The tension and cravings intensify when the lifter moves into a calorie deficit, activating biological defense mechanisms (hormonal signaling increases hunger). Recognizing that the acute cravings are transient is crucial for maintaining self-efficacy and adherence, as it reinforces the belief that the new, healthier habit will eventually become easier.

• https://www.barbellmedicine.com/blog/how-to-eat-a-healthy-diet/ 
• https://www.barbellmedicine.com/blog/how-to-train-while-losing-weight/ 
• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYeh1xTnlxU&themeRefresh=1 
• https://www.barbellmedicine.com/blog/does-your-metabolism-change-with-weight-loss/ 
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