Introduction

We have aninteresting podcast coming up to day. We're going to be talking abou whats name the book again as apenomena book, virtue horders, the case against the professional managerial class by katherine lew yes. It's really interesting topic. Ah, youknow, the'rs, some disagreement, but that even makes it more interesting and more fun when you talk about them. But before we get into the interview, i mean, we're recording this on thursday, and so last night was when we just got the news that russia launched a full scale invasion of a ukrane, arlav and siber now. They had already invaded u crane