
José Macedo and Pondering Durian: The Birth of Delphi Intelligence
The Delphi Podcast
Contrasting AI Strategies: China vs. USA
This chapter delves into the differing approaches of China and the United States in artificial intelligence development, highlighting China's coordinated strategy versus the U.S.'s fragmented methods. It examines the implications of these strategies on innovation, open-source technology, and capital allocation within the global AI landscape.
Join Tommy Shaughnessy as he hosts Pondering Durian (Lead at Delphi Intelligence) and José Macedo (Co-Founder at Delphi Labs & Founding Partner at Delphi Ventures) to introduce Delphi Intelligence — Delphi’s new open research initiative focused on artificial intelligence. Learn why Delphi is going deep into frontier models, robotics, reinforcement learning, and the intersection of crypto and AI, and how this initiative aims to uncover transformative opportunities across emerging tech.
Delphi Intelligence: https://www.delphiintelligence.io/
🎯 Key Highlights
▸ Why Delphi pivoted to AI after years in crypto research and investing.
▸ Inside Delphi Intelligence: free, high-quality research on AI, RL, robotics, and more.
▸ How the team blends deep research with deal sourcing — like early crypto days.
▸ The three phases of AI scale: pretraining, inference, and the RL renaissance.
▸ José and PD on decentralizing RL and building “The World’s RL Gym.”
▸ The case for open AI: modular design, public reasoning, and collaboration.
▸ How LLMs are learning to “think longer” — and what it means for training.
▸ Open-source vs. proprietary AI — and China’s growing lead in open models.
▸ Why José believes AGI may already be here with GPT-4o.
▸ Where early AI startups can still win — from robotics to edge hardware.
▸ Why this AI moment feels like crypto in 2017 — and why it’s still early.
▸ The team’s views on AI safety vs. acceleration, including visits to Anthropic.
▸ A geopolitical view: US vs. China in AI, talent flows, and capital differences.
▸ What the next “Mag 7” of AI could be — and why Big Tech might not lead.
▸ How Delphi plans to find early winners in AI, like they did in crypto.
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Timestamps
00:00 - Introduction to Delphi Intelligence
01:30 - Why AI Feels Like Crypto in 2017
03:30 - The AI Research Gap Delphi Aims to Fill
06:30 - Robotics Deep Dive: Humanoids vs. Specialization
10:00 - AI’s Impact on Traditional Tech Moats
14:30 - Can the Mag 7 Be Disrupted by AI Labs?
17:00 - Google, Meta, OpenAI, and the Race for Interface
21:00 - Crypto as a Hedge Against AI-Driven Inequality
24:00 - Safety vs. Acceleration: Anthropic vs. OpenAI
28:00 - China’s Open-Source AI Strategy
31:30 - Zero-to-One vs. One-to-X Innovation Models
35:00 - Open-Source Models: Strategic or Suicidal?
38:00 - Early-Stage Edge: Where Startups Can Win
42:00 - Verticalized AI Apps, Context Engineering, and GPTs
46:00 - US vs. China in Robotics: Software vs. Hardware
50:00 - The Role of Simulation, Sensors, and Real-World Feedback
53:00 - Delphi’s Dual Approach: Deep Research + Early Deal Flow
55:00 - The Vision for Delphi Intelligence 10 Years Out
Disclaimer
This podcast is strictly informational and educational and is not investment advice or a solicitation to buy or sell any tokens or securities or to make any financial decisions. Do not trade or invest in any project, tokens, or securities based upon this podcast episode. The host and members at Delphi Ventures may personally own tokens or art that are mentioned on the podcast. Our current show features paid sponsorships which may be featured at the start, middle, and/or the end of the episode. These sponsorships are for informational purposes only and are not a solicitation to use any product, service or token.