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Cecile Richards on Planned Parenthood, labor organizing, and the Supreme Court

The Gray Area with Sean Illing

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Nancy Pelosi: The Great Legislative Tactician

I had never worked on the Hill before or with anyone in Congress. She's a fascinating figure to me because she is clearly one of the great legislative tacticians of our age. But her skills are very, they're very inside game. So I think that people often do not realize what she is good and sometimes it's even hard for me to understand what she has done until I see the finished product. Her attention to detail and attention to people is beyond anything I've ever seen. And look, she got where she is strictly on her own. There was no system that promoted you up.

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