Is It More Abstract Than It Used to Be?

I saw Chantel's work, the form of it immediately resonated, even before meeting her. And I had this office that was basically just white walls. And I asked Chantel, she could just draw on the walls. And she did. She came, she was like a ladder and she didn't iPad and she asked us questions. But then you were actually doing it,. You know, I feel like we've always been kids with spirits in different ways.