Tactic number two is the amped up follow up. Lisa, well, if we think about this as being a scientist in your own life and creating hypotheses and creating expriments,. experiment numbr two: The social goldilocks approach of talking to a bunch of different people at organizations that he was interested in. And that's, that's the next example that we want to go into here. So this, and we'll share a story about about how this works too.

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