For HBO, I did a project where I would go out on like a Tuesday or Wednesday night at three in the morning. And that's what it turned out to be like everybody interviewed was up to no good. It wasn't a TV show was a web show, although I did shoot a pilot as a TV show. Then I essentially had a podcast in 96 and 97. Yeah, well, I never made that claim. But for two and a half years, probably interviewed close to 3 or 4,000 people.

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