Jim Rutt: Vicky is a one world thinker and he says, we can't take that kind of thing seriously anymore. So we must rethink that and talk about meaning in life. And his answer is kind of subtle and involves developing ecologies of practice so that we can see the world more clearly. That being able to deprogram ourselves from foolishness will allow us to find meaning in our everyday lives. Jim Rutt: If we could reorder our lives so that we're making actually consequential decisions, we would have much more meaning on this planet.

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