At the beginning you were giving free advice, just helping other people out from the church. How did that evolve into making money from it, or being able to grow that and hire so many people? Well, we started, i started, the first thing i thought, okai anto counselling. We now call it coaching, but im counsellings got legal implications in the word. The radio show wasn't profitable for ten years. But it was my we didn't make two hundreda, 58 thousand dollars, i can promise you thatum, a.

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