The way to think through externalities better is when you come up with a possible solution, talk to lots of people about what might be wrong with it. And so that's the first part. Once you implement it, try to implement it in experimental ways, right? You have some safe to fail probes. If you are supporting someone who has more agency than you in the organization or whatever, these are things you would help support them with. I mean, ensure that the governance structure is such that when we learn new stuff, the underlying thing can be changed. We're talking to people here because on the chance that people here are going to try to, they're running a nonprofit or they

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