I was there for about seven years of slow grinding failure. I've just constantly been, you know, months away from not being able to make pay roll. And so i had this view that like vises, it was impossible to build a company that would ever fit into the thing that investors wanted to invest in. So then after that, h benefits, what was the original idea, idea for benefits? Well, the idea sentifits for senifits was really,  ‘i had all this trouble raising money from v cs, and when when we met with them to raise money, everyone there was always something that was sort of a a theme that they were investing in

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