The Evolution of Growth Capital

I mean, obviously there are still challenges that in terms of why we haven't advanced as far as we would have hoped by this point. And I think if you go and talk with CDOs and CTOs and heads of manufacturing, I think they're still pretty early in their journey. So I think that is what has changed to make it exciting. You know, downstream capital plays a big part in some of these applications, Karen. We've both invested in sometimes there's a hardware component, sometimes not. But all that interconnectedness, all the data, all the go-to-market challenges, will show up as these companies go on to scale.