I accept that where they're coming from is the same as where I'm coming from, because that's where we're all coming from. It's a non-verbal, pre-verbal, direct experience. How we talk about it is so conditioned by our experiences and what's been valuable to us. A state to me has got content. It comes and goes. But I'm talking about the space in which states of mind come and go. Now that is the same in us all. So I sing my own song and hopefully it's a value to people. That's just true.

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