There was a really interesting focus for a little bit talking about, well, what is responsible for what? So right now, for example, I might use pip as a way to add tools to Python to a Python project. But I often already have Python there. And in other communities, and even a little bit like Honda, and isn't this as well, there's tools that will say what you do - it gets you the runtime. It would get you a version of Python you ask for plus the libraries.