Howard Lyman said on Oprah that the British government essentially treated this as a public relations problem and not as like a threat to human health. There had never been a case where a version of mad cow had spread from animals to humans. In 1985, there's an article on cannibal hamsters with hamsters, hamster brains. And they didn't get like hamster spongiform encephalitis. When you say, hang on, we got to unpack cannibal hamsters,. You don't get to just skate by cannibal hamsters.