Speaker 2
This is the last one. Uh, that one kid who just can't talk to him. Like this is like, yeah, you didn't teach me how to talk
Speaker 1
to him. Right. Yeah. This was not the death kid. So they live in this apartment in Hell's Kitchen. It's like this tiny little apartment. They're super crowded. Napoleon is reportedly just being an absolute dick to his son's life. Just total asshole. But they're working on this book and Rosalie ends up being his editor. And it seems like it is as much a product of her work as his. Because they had to do all these rewrites. He's still working with this publisher, Andrew Pelton. And so Pelton is saying like, you got to rewrite this. You got to rewrite this. And Rosalie is doing most of the rewriting.
Speaker 2
Okay. We know like, the only thing we've looked at in your transcript since come to us, that you are stupid. Like, you're
Speaker 1
correct. Yeah. Look at this. Dude, very dumb. Dude, his photo article does like make a point of being like, he is not a good writer. Yeah. He's really not a good writer.
Speaker 2
You have money me want bad now. I mean, I'll be sunny.
Speaker 1
But the book finally gets published in 1937. And it does really well. I mean, again, like these are people who are coming out of the depression. They want to hear some good news. They want to be helpful.
Speaker 2
I've been doing all this thinking. I might as well use it to help me grow rich. Right.
Speaker 1
I mean, there's a reason all this stuff sells better than like, it turns out your chances of becoming wealthier are increasingly slim. Like, that's not, that kind of book is not going to be as popular as like Tony
Speaker 2
Robbins or something. Yeah. Yeah. You want to die richer than how you were born. You might want to move to another country. Yeah. That's a hard sell.
Speaker 1
But it's, you know, it's aspirational and the people were, people were primed for it. And of course, he learned nothing from the first time he made money and spent all of it again. Nice.
Speaker 2
Oh, yeah. Learn nothing. Just double down on who you are and never approve. Yeah.
Speaker 1
They bought a huge mansion in Florida. Rosalie is also balling out. Like they're just, they're going nuts. So yeah, and they were getting incredible royalty checks from thinking grow rich. So this becomes super popular. I mean, we still know about it today. Yes. You know, it was, it was really, really popular. And they're actually like this, it got so popular that somebody formed a cult around it, which is what I'm going to tell you about this. Whoa.
Speaker 1
Yeah. So, um, and this was again, like, I feel like there was just a lot of stuff like this back then. Although it's just a little later than most of the other cults. But, uh, so, uh, there's this group called the Royal Fraternity of the Master of Metaphysicians, which is founded by this guy, James Schafer. And, uh, in the mid thirties, this guy would like basically preach at Carnegie Hall to like hundreds of people, um, about the power of the human mind and the ability of the human mind to sort of transfigure the material world. You know, like, thoughts can become real, which is, you know, a big part of thinking, grow it. Yeah.
Speaker 2
Yeah. Well, did like the secret literally like they positioned that shit as like a magical tool. Yeah. Like I remember, like I saw one like, like a bit of the DVD and it was just like, like, you know, ancient lords knew this, knew this tool and like they passed this secret among, it showed people like running it out of the back of the temple before it got invaded, looked at night's temple or and shit. And it was, yeah, it was like basically just, I think positive. It was a president is almost like magic. So I can see it. Yeah. I can lend itself to cult thinking.
Speaker 1
Yeah. And like a lot of people just say the secret is just a repackage sort of modern, feminized version of thinking, grow rich. Like it's, it's the core of it is pretty similar. Yeah. Um, so the master metaphysicians, this guy was, it's mostly forgotten today, but this guy was pretty popular in his heyday. Like he had, he had what they estimate almost 10,000 people, uh, who considered themselves followers of his. So, um, they, was
Speaker 2
he blue checked? He was blue checked. Like three, you love blue check. Wow. Yeah.
Speaker 1
So, um, they, the year after, uh, think you grow rich comes out, they buy this big mansion on Long Island where like a bunch of them sort of live in a community. And they say, um, they are going to prove their philosophy by raising an immortal person. They're going to make someone immortal. And the way that you do this, according to them, is to expose this person only to positive thoughts. Um, and, uh, eat a strict vegetarian diet.
Speaker 2
That was part of their thing. Pause those
Speaker 1
dogs and littles. Yes. Exactly. That that was the key to immortality. And they basically said like, anyone can be immortal if you think hard enough about it. But we're all sort of tainted because we discovered this in later in life when like our metabolic damage has already been done. We were going to start with the baby.
Speaker 2
Yeah. Don't let the baby hands on a baby. Yeah.
Speaker 1
And they did, unfortunately. They got their hands on a baby. They were cheap back there. They weren't. Yeah. Price of babies was
Speaker 2
all time low. Yeah. Yeah. Coming out of the pressure, you can get a baby for her and obscenely low amount of money. I'll say that. Yeah.
Speaker 1
So they get this baby and they say, we're going to make her immortal. She's five months old. Um, and she's a child of one of the followers. And they're like, we're going to do it. We're going to make her immortal. Um, so at this time they regard thinking Grow Rich as basically a holy book. Like they, uh, name Napoleon Hill, the godfather to this immortal baby. Because they like think of him as like a prophet. So the police, he did. He went and visited them, uh, for the baby's first birthday. So he knew about this. He condoned it. He wasn't like in the cult, in the cult. But he was like, hey, cool. Like, sure.
Speaker 2
So by their logic, wouldn't one negative thought fuck this whole thing up?
Speaker 1
Yeah, which I'm sure is what they would say if the person died. You know, like a saved thought, something negative. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All you had to do was like our furniture or whatever.
Speaker 1
to do was not want to eat a hamburger. But of course the cult itself was also a scam. What? Shafer.
Speaker 2
Where do I put my face that now? I mean, I'm all, I'm all backwards. Yeah.
Speaker 1
Sad to say. Sadly. This is a very funny ending. So, so Shafer, the guy who ran this place, he was also selling stock. They all were selling stock. They were all looking for investors and shit. But this is very funny to me. So, this was like kind of a trendy thing at the time. So like rich people and celebrities would come visit them at this commune that they were living on. And weirdly enough, their fancy jewelry would go missing at this place. And one woman reportedly lost two rings worth somewhere around $5,000. When the woman told Shafer, he supposedly replied, quote, nothing is lost in the infinite. You can think them back in your experience. So, just imagine I didn't steal your rings. And then.
Speaker 2
I want you to manifest the world with a ring is still on your finger. And I will manifest a ride to the pawn shop. And that's right. That's great. I
Speaker 1
love so much. All on our own journeys with our thoughts.
Speaker 2
I love that. That's a level of full of shit that really uses me.
Speaker 1
Yeah, it's pretty incredible. So, the mother of this baby, she after like a year, she's like, hold on. I think I want my baby back. So.
Speaker 2
I want love baby. You
Speaker 1
got it. Yeah. She said that. Sorry.
Speaker 2
She said that she was by 80 years or whatever.
Speaker 1
Have you ever seen the video of them recording that? Yeah.
Speaker 2
Yeah. It's pretty amazing. Yeah. It was good.
Speaker 1
But yeah, so she decided she wants her baby back. Baby back, baby back. And that kind of ends that. So that's just like a weird aside that these people had this. Yeah. Yeah. Interaction with this cult. Just giving the
Speaker 2
baby back. You're like, hey, man, you're gonna mess this whole thing up. But all right, here you have the baby. Kind of live forever. Good luck with your negative thoughts. Yeah.
Speaker 1
So yeah, they're like living high on the hog for a while. Rosalie and Napoleon. They're, you know, they have this god child that's going to be immortal. Very cool.
Speaker 1
Rosalie writes her own book after this called How to attract men and money, which is pretty great. Good title. Yeah.
Speaker 2
The ye old Cardi B album. Yeah.
Speaker 1
She is like very Cardi B because the big tenant in this book is that like, it's fine to marry for money. Yeah. It's cool to marry for money. And also like, it's cool to try to manipulate your husband into making more money. Like that's cool. I know the cook door clean, but let
Speaker 2
me tell you how I got this ring. Exactly. That could
Speaker 1
be the subtitle of her book for sure. But so she writes this book and it comes out and as it's coming out, she gets a divorce from Napoleon. She's out. Was the
Speaker 2
check start rolling in? Yep.
Speaker 1
Exactly. And this is what I mean about her being like an operator. She knew what was up because back when they wrote Thinking Grow Rich, they put all of the royalties into her name. And the reason they did this was it was a strategy to prevent people who Napoleon had conned from coming for coming for his money. Oh, yeah.
Speaker 2
She saw man. She was clocking that to move that.
Speaker 1
Yeah. So yeah, yeah. Rosa, Rosa,
Speaker 1
him of cheating on her. So she just leaves him with nothing because all the royalties are in her name.
Speaker 2
So she's just like, fuck you. That is tight because like, yeah, no sympathy for this guy whatsoever. Fuck him. And it was like, yeah, you done, you done bit off boy. You can chew. You got this badass girl in your life and it's like, yeah, well, she's bad for a reason, dog. You know, like, you like this. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You see, you see her making these moves. You think he can ever be you and now it's you. That's what's up. Exactly.
Speaker 1
So she was very canny about it. And he got fucked. He like had nothing. But guess what? He got married again. So still a hit with the ladies this guy somehow. Yeah. But yeah, so at this point, like, he kind of, he kind of goes downhill. So no pun intended. Yeah. He writes another book. It flops. How to attract men and money, by the way, also didn't do very well. But it didn't need to because she has all the royalties for thinking we're rich now. So yeah. Yeah. So he like, yeah, he writes this book called mental dynamite, which doesn't do well, but he he's like, yeah, it's not
Speaker 2
a good. That's a hot ass title. Yeah. That's not doing good. Holy shit.
Speaker 1
No, gonna blow your mind. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2
It just adds a mix team. Yeah. Totally. Yeah. Mental dynamite in stores now.
Speaker 1
So he claimed that Gandhi liked mental dynamite. Like he's just like very, he's very like Trumpy in his name dropping. He just loves to. Yeah. And this is sort of around the time where he starts claiming he's had interactions with all these famous people. Like during the 40s, that's when like his book that supposedly his conversations with Andrew Carnegie comes out. Like he, he just sort of tours around doing motivational speaking and setting up more like scammy magazines and stuff. I
Speaker 2
look at the idea that Gandhi reads his self-help book. Yeah. Right. And just like, I'm going, hey, or that he reads the self-help book for a guy who like, his last book is called Think and Grow Rich. Like his idea that's always fair
Speaker 1
to me. Gandhi is like, I need to figure out how to get rich. Yeah.
Speaker 2
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Gandhi was an entrepreneur as I know.
Speaker 1
But yeah. So this guy, like he ended up influencing a lot of stuff. Like, like I said, the power of positive thinking. He, the thing he did that was very smart that I think is probably the reason we know about him today. And that this wasn't just a popular thing in the 30s and has endured is because he, one of his many scams that he came up with was a charity. So he set up the nonprofit Napoleon Hill Foundation in 1963. And they've been around since then and sort of like keep his legacy alive, you know, like, again, mostly with all of this bullshit. Yeah.
Speaker 2
Like, like, who are their, the recipients of their foundations charity? Like, what do they do?
Speaker 1
I think they just like publish his books and stuff. I don't, I think it's just like a nonprofit publishing press mostly.
Speaker 2
I had an idea to make the most hated nonprofit organization in the world. It's really starting a nonprofit organization that through a grant from the city gives Bluetooth speakers to people on the bus. That's beautiful. Yeah. We
Speaker 1
want everyone to hear NBA Young Boy YouTube playlists. Right. Right. Yeah. It's part of our city's unjuvenation program. We want to make it worse. We want to drive down property values.
Speaker 2
It was more fun. Everything up. As we're trying to do. Yeah. I will de-jensure five. Awesome. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's, that's my, I will de-jensure five in the city. I have the tens of thousands of dollars by hundreds of Bluetooth speakers and just distribute them to our, the un-housed population of the city.
Speaker 1
So yeah, this guy, he, he dies in 1970. The Napoleon Hill Foundation is still around. They publish his books. There's, there's like a whole sort of sub-sect of his followers. There's like, they're all arguing over a quote loss chapter of thinking grow rich. We're like, it's some unattributed thing that like basically it was like more spiritual and esoteric and they're like, it was the secret chapter.