I think one of my passing interests is therapy. And obviously, it's one of Rick's professional interests. One of the things that I read inside of your work is the idea that sometimes clinicians will apply a form of intervention that isn't necessarily suited for the developmental nature of the client they're working with. It can be extremely effective when you're working with somebody who's capable of applying that kind of top down control. But for somebody that you're talking about here who had this interrupted developmental cycle, maybe they're biologically in apologies for my weak use of the biology here. That person may not to be able to get the most out of top down interventions like that and rather bottom up interventions

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